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Uncouth Barbarian's avatar

I would say that you're missing a category in your complexity step up. Rome wasn't a real city - it's a metropolis. Most of the urban areas we have today are such.

A city, rather, is an urban area AND it's surrounding countryside where the two are intertwined in culture and production. It's not a real city if it isn't mostly self sustaining in most areas. Certainly food, but then the culture of a city should be it's own. The folk in the countryside contribute the low arts, the folk arts. The city contributes the high arts.

A metropolis is rather a city that is NOT self sustaining, and requires the parasitical relationship where it drains resources from other areas in order to survive, and is also a step larger than a city could properly be. It requires regular influx of food, workers, materials, etc - to be able to survive. The only reason we have so many Metropoli in the US is because we've basically enslaved not only our own populations to be able to sustain them; but also the rest of the world. It began with the Monroe doctrine with banana republics, but spread through the dollar system's weaponization of debt and resources. When those began to run out, we practiced more usury upon our own citizens.

I've written about this and can link if anyone wants it

Anyways, I suspect there will be more localization somewhat similar to what you talk of - I just think that it will be along religious lines. There's too much conflict coming in the way of the breakdown of the Empire for less motivating factors to be the organizational principle. Trust me, even with religion in common there's still plenty of disagreements. You can see this already happening around many Latin Mass parishes in Roman Catholicism. I imagine there's more happening in the Orthodox as well. But people will in/out group with what matters - what they're willing to fight and die for.

Because it will likely come to that. We're all already feeling it.

Gene Botkin's avatar

I've gone pretty far down this line of thought.

Many microcultures are not able to sustain a healthy community because they are not holistic.

(Your life cannot revolve around hot rods. What's the hot rod diet? What's the hot rod literary canon? Etc.)

But some are.

Those that can sustain communities tend to be organized around either religion, country, or aesthetics.

I wrote a post called "Big Tiddy Goth Girls and the Tower of Babel" presenting the aesthetic tribe as a possible source for new community after the West falls. The rest of my project addresses the issue in other aspects.

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